Curse

Fox Reeveheart · Jun 17, 2006, 08:15 PM // 20:15

So like my idea is that Anet will try and hit on every possible class of originality that doesnt quite cross over 2 other classes.

Like we have the warrior, the wizard, the assassin, the monk/cleric, whatever a mesmer is, the necromancer, and the ritualist which kind of goes around a shaman/caster guy.

Next it looks like an unarmed fighter, which sounds good to me =)... but what would go in the weapons slot? Would bracers represent their unarmed damage or like... brass knuckles?
And some double bladed staff person... medieval jedi?

Another class that should be touched on o.o... the bard!

Using skills such as music mastery.... or something where he deals more damage with an instrument... kind of like ragnarok online's bard o.o

I could imagine how cool like high-level end harps would look like >.> Imagine like an angelic feather harp of pwness. Or like the mandolin of the oni! PHEER MY PAN PIPES!

He would make a great support dude o.o in D&D they are made for inspiring their allies (not inspiration magic like a mesmer) and giving them bonuses to damage, etc.

Vahn Roi · Jun 17, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

I still don't want to believe they are adding two melee classes. I think the unarmed man is a caster (He could in fact be a Bard Oo)

lightblade · Jun 18, 2006, 12:59 AM // 00:59

Music doesn't do damage, neither does musical instruments...

Music does..however...provide magical effects like healing and comfusing enemies

benmanhaha · Jun 18, 2006, 01:05 AM // 01:05

If I remember correctly, bards are kind of like a buff/support class. I personnally think it would be cool to have a bard, but the GW bard would obviously deviate from the norm. They would have to add some attack skills as well. And I think they might have to rename it too.

But the angelic feather harp of pwness would completely rock.

Also, Actionjack, who is renown for his class ideas, has already attampted a Bard type class. I'll add the link in case you wanna check it out.
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s....php?t=3029360

xXa1 · Jun 18, 2006, 01:17 AM // 01:17

the mesmer class is founded on the same concept as the bardic classes, the performing arts and thus we have illusion, inspiration and domination

Overnite · Jun 18, 2006, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart

or something where he deals more damage with an instrument...

Yes, getting hit in the head with a guitar is usually lethal...

Fox Reeveheart · Jun 18, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

the mesmer is ....... I wanna say just RELATED to the bard in a remote sense

When I first saw the mesmer, it reminded me of like a nobleman or like some kind of guy at a masquerade

When you think of a bard, you usually think of a traveling musician and such.
Or to a very lesser extent, you can also think of something like a jester.. with the jester hat and all.

and I agree =) angelic feather harp of pwness would be da shizzle.
So would the Piccolo of infernal darkness O_O

hmmm.... actually now that you talk about the guitar.... they could make it like a warrior type deal

Harps are ranged weapons you pull back hard on the strings with, and guitars and melee >.> (lutes, mandolins, violins, etc.) and flutes could be like blowguns O_O

actionjack · Jun 18, 2006, 05:39 AM // 05:39

I like RO's Bard... because they are 2nd class from the Archers... so they could use their string instrment to shoot arrows! The female would be a dancer, who use whip. I know it won't fit into GW, but just sound like a fun idea.

On Guitar as melee weapon....what? Guitar are usually hollow inside, and made of wood... which make it not a very good weapon. Unles you go with steel guitar....

Personally, I just don't see musical instrment as a weapon. Would use for skills/spells that use sound to damage and causing neagive effect, but just strange as a regular weapon alone.

Nevin · Jun 18, 2006, 06:00 AM // 06:00

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Originally Posted by Fox Reeveheart

So like my idea is that Anet will try and hit on every possible class of originality that doesnt quite cross over 2 other classes.

Like we have the warrior, the wizard, the assassin, the monk/cleric, whatever a mesmer is, the necromancer, and the ritualist which kind of goes around a shaman/caster guy.

Next it looks like an unarmed fighter, which sounds good to me =)... but what would go in the weapons slot? Would bracers represent their unarmed damage or like... brass knuckles?
And some double bladed staff person... medieval jedi?

Another class that should be touched on o.o... the bard!

Using skills such as music mastery.... or something where he deals more damage with an instrument... kind of like ragnarok online's bard o.o

I could imagine how cool like high-level end harps would look like >.> Imagine like an angelic feather harp of pwness. Or like the mandolin of the oni! PHEER MY PAN PIPES!

He would make a great support dude o.o in D&D they are made for inspiring their allies (not inspiration magic like a mesmer) and giving them bonuses to damage, etc.

I don't think the double bladed staff was a blade top and bottom.. I think it was like an elongated double bladed axe... Like a staff with a headpiece that had a blade on each side.

Oh, and is this even a concept thread?..

Terra Xin · Jun 18, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

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Like we have the warrior, the wizard, the assassin, the monk/cleric, whatever a mesmer is, the necromancer, and the ritualist which kind of goes around a shaman/caster guy.

whatever a Mesmer is huh...... Mesmers are too underapreciated *cries*.

Ive said this many times before, the definition of a mesmers inspiration does nothing for his/her allies... Im going to write up some skills...

Boomer the Gnome · Jun 18, 2006, 09:51 AM // 09:51

.. A bard in Guildwars. Wouldn't work. In my opinion my favorite version of the bard is till Everquests ( EQ-before the 5 expansion came out.. it sucked after that ). If anyone knows about EQ bards you know how freaking powerful they were. For instance. You could kite at level 60 level 55's.. more then two and kill them all. Twisting a couple songs and bam.. dead.

The reason why it wouldn't work is because a bard is a bit of all classes. So its really unbalanced. Plus you'd beable to pick a secondary profession. An Assassin Bard vice versa or Warrior Bard. They'd be just too over average. Better then a Warrior/Monk

A mesmer is a bard in a sense. Infact they are GW's original rogues. They're playing games with your head fooling with the mind and body. Not really an enchanter at all.
A mesmer if you want a definition is a person that mesmerizes the audience. A trickster a jester a thief a bard.

Take into mind that this game was not developed for PvE. It is not a RO. The name guildwars pretty much tells you the name of the game. You fight in guildwars to gain the favor of the gods. The roleplaying mode is added so you can unlock items/skills to get you that favor a bit easier.

Desert Penguin · Jun 18, 2006, 09:58 AM // 09:58

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Originally Posted by Boomer the Gnome

Twisting a couple songs and bam.. dead.

What? How does playing a song kill people?

AtomicMew · Jun 18, 2006, 09:58 AM // 09:58

Just give the mesmer some AoE "song" type skills and let him be able to weild a guitar. BAM, instant bard. Also, tights and a green feathered hat.

Desert Penguin · Jun 18, 2006, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by traversc

Just give the mesmer some AoE "song" type skills and let him be able to weild a guitar. BAM, instant bard. Also, tights and a green feathered hat.

Like as if Mesmers don't already wear tight clothes... lol

One thing, what bout counters to singing songs? Backfire works with spells, but not songs. For this reason, there should be a Necromancer hex called "Sore Throat" which makes the characters throat sore, thus dealing damage whenever they sing a song.

Sore Throat

Hex Spell. For 8...18 seconds, every time that foe sings a song, that foe takes 35...119 damage.

Now that hex will make a Bard shut up for 18 seconds!

Xenrath · Jun 18, 2006, 03:47 PM // 15:47

I like the idea of a Bard type of class - it's been mentioned before in here.

Mesmers are sort of performers and such but probably more like magicians than singers. A bard with various different songs/dirges and such would be nice.

I'm sure the concept has crossed the minds of Anet designers... seems a natural addition for the next chapter.

Mushroom · Aug 25, 2006, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by lightblade

Music doesn't do damage, neither does musical instruments...

Have you ever been hit in the head with a Stratocaster?

Actually, I think Bard would be a great addition. One of the first games I bought was The Bard's Tale (the original from 1984, not the recent horror). And the Bard was actually a pretty good character.

In fact, if done right, a Bard would be a very desierable character to have in a group. Most of the spells are direct effect (you cast, bad guy is hurt or good guy is healed). With a Bard, you could create classes of spells in which groups are effected.

And instead of giving them time limits, you have them work for as long as the character performs the action. So if you have a skill "Hit Harder", all characters in the party doing mele damage would do more, for as long as the bard plays. However, if they stop playing, the bonus goes away.

And we already have emotes for a lot of bard insturments. Flute, Guitar (mandolin), drums, and violin. And we even have a flute (although it is only good for giving to Gwen). Why not flesh it out?

And if you get snowed in during the winter, you also have a handy source of food. Just ask the players of Monty Python.

The winter was harsh, so they ate Robin's minstrils... and everybody rejoiced!